Independence day celebrates Americas independence from Britain…. Not solely religious oppression, though it was a part of it…. The revolution was based more on inequal treatment in many areas… I don’t see how this is a win at all, except for anti religious bigots.
Nope, independence was based on the fact that not only the americans wanted lower taxes (they had the same as the british…) as they didn’t want slavery to be abolished, something that was about no happen in britain
it was actually largely based on the fact that the good old king of england taxed the bejesus out of his little colony, but refused to give them representation in the English parliament. There were of course other factors, but that was the main one.
i believe that america only officially declared itself independant from george the 3rd. no other english monarch… so… yeah…
The lack of representation was, as you correctly stated, a major factor in the war. However, your statement that they “taxed the bejeezus out of his little colony” is entirely incorrect. Taxes were actually much lower for those living in the colonies than those living back in Britain.
The temperance movement (source of today’s blue laws) was almost exclusively Christian. How is it ignorant to blame the group that caused the problem for creating the problem?
Not all Christians did it, but it certainly was Christians who did it.
Blue laws were put in place prohibiting the sale of alcohol on a Sunday but this year, Independence Day is on a Monday. So why is there a problem? If the sale of alcohol is banned on Independence Day this year, then it will be a matter of convenience and not because of religious principles.
How is it ignorant to blame the group that caused the problem for creating the problem, and then following it up to say that “not all Christians did it”? I mean, seriously? Why not just say “I know what a stereotype is and while it is overly incorrect, I’m going to use it anyway.”
It’s not a christian problem that your enjoyment comes directly from alcohol. You are sooooo hurt by not being able to purchase alcohol on one day. Get over yourself.
the worst part of this “win” is that independence day is celebration of Americans declaring themselves free of Britain’s oppressive government and now our own oppressive government has taken over liquor stores, which means they are closed on federal holidays… religion played a role in causing the laws to be written in the first place but it played a minor role
the sign-maker is on to something; but they too stupid to figure out all the angles. Fail for them and Fail for Cheeznet for letting it get to the front page
So… the nice folks at Religious Oppression force you to think and plan ahead and buy alcohol the day before, big deal!
(I have to admit, this might be a difficult exercise for some of you out there who drink!)
So what happens when something unexpected happens like say more people suddenly show up to your party or (shudder) someone drops the case of bottles and it breaks? I should be able to buy booze when I want without some busy-body christians using the law to enforce their cult.
Religious Oppression is going on all the time in the USA. This law is not the worst thing though.
The worst thing is, people can get exemptions from the law and a few privileges if a law is found to contradict their religion. That means Atheists must respect more laws than religious people. It’s a problem because that can be used to punish Atheists for being Godless people. It can also be used to force them to convert to something.
And why not decide that, if a law is found to be violating the religion of somebody, then the law should be deleted completely, rather than make a select group of people exempt? That would make everyone happy and equal.
It’s way too easy to oppress Atheists.
1) Make a law
2) Claim it violates your religion and say you want exemption.
3) Enjoy Atheists and rival religions having less freedom than you.
The forth of July celebrates freedom from political oppression. The pilgrims were the ones escaping religious oppression. This dude has no idea what he is talking about.
Not exactly. The “oppression” they were fleeing for the most part was not being allowed to oppress others with their religion. Dig a little deeper and you’ll find some of the groups fleeing Europe were made they weren’t getting preferred status and would rather go where they can make people worship their way.
But Independence was not fought on behalf of those groups fleeing from Europe, it was fought on behalf of the political oppression of people who were already in the States.
So these morons (and the typical moron commenter on here) think Independence Day is a RELIGIOUS holiday? wow
How do people this stupid remember to breath?
The source of today’s “blue laws” goes back to the 1600′s and yes, since every single person who founded this country was a Christian, I guess it’s their “fault” you can’t buy alcohol on Sundays in SOME places.
The fact that July 4th is a holiday that has NOTHING to do with religion means there’s another reason stores have to be closed, namely, so people won’t be forced to work when they should be celebrating the holiday, I assume, just like Thanksgiving which is also NOT a religious ‘holiday’ (holy day duh)
If you really don’t like living in a Christian country where you’re free to whine even when you don’t have the slightest hint of a clue wtf you’re talking about, feel free to move to one that’s not and see how you like it there. (hint, many of them don’t allow you to buy alcohol 365 days a year)
So you are saying that this is a Christian country? Is there a state religion? Maybe you should do some research and see what the founding fathers (namely, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington) had to say about that. As for some of us Americans not liking to be subjected to the antiquated morals of of the hypocritical “Christians” (they don’t act very much like the followers of the words of Jesus Christ that I’ve read), if your opinion is that I should move then maybe you want to move me.
It doesn’t have a declared religion, but the majority of people in the US are Christian. That’s why he refereed to it as a Christian country. The fact that that is all you got out of his comment means that you are such an idiot I’m surprised you remember to breath.
We’re not talking about slightly over 50 percent. 85% of US citizens identifies themselves as Christian. All other religions and athiests make up the remaining 15%. Thus the US is an overwhelming majority of people who identify with Christianity.
Exhibit A: The Treaty of Tripoli, June 1797, signed by the Founding Fathers:
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
This is not a Christian country. This was never intended to be a Christian country. This never will be a Christian country. This is a democracy, not a theocracy. The First Amendment is designed to protect people from laws favoring one religion. The country usually epically fails at this, but hey, it’s a learning process.
If our founders were Christian then why does all our money have deists on it? And FYI there dude, “In God We Trust” wasn’t put on there until the civil war.
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion” ~George Washington.
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.” ~Thomas Jefferson
Before insulting other for their supposed cognitive failings, perhaps you should first examine the spring of false assumptions from which your counter-factual beliefs flow.
Persisting in addressing others in a condescending and arrogant tone is ill advised when history, science and all of reality does not back you. Trying to purposefully muddy the waters of debate by needlessly pointing out that the 4th of July is not religious and the “holiday” means “holy day”, does not change the fact of religious oppression perpetuated by the writhing ignorant masses, of which you appear to be a part.
“The source of today’s “blue laws” goes back to the 1600′s and yes, since every single person who founded this country was a Christian, I guess it’s their “fault” you can’t buy alcohol on Sundays in SOME places.”
Do some research. Not every single founder was a Christian. Jefferson is the obvious example. He was not religious at all, and in his correspondence he often said that he doubted the existence of any deity.
The reign of King George of England was considered “religious oppression”? We do have freedom of religion here, but it wasn’t because England was some sort of theocracy. Blue laws are stupid and puritan, but this sign just makes its owner look like he’s willing to stretch the truth in order to have an axe to grind in public. All that does is make me dismiss him and his argument as overblown and manipulative.
Now where’s my beer, fun-damn-entalists?
A great number of the people who originally moved to the new continent did so in order to be able to practice the faith (well, denomination) of their choice, which was becoming more and more difficult in England at the time.
It’s true there was religious oppression when the Mayflower left England in 1620 and for a few years after that but in 1776, England had Roman Catholics, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Baptists, Quakers, Anglicans and fledgling Methodists. By that time, religious oppression had long been forgotten. Independence was not fought over religious oppression.
true it was fought over taxes and mandates passed without any input from us. Ontop of that only about 40% of the country reportedly wanted to go to was and 20% wanted to stay loyal to england and the rest just didnt care.
When your tax money is used to support someone else’s religion and not yours, then it is oppression. That is what King George did (both the one in 1776 and 2001) to us.
So what you’re saying is churches shouldn’t get tax breaks because my tax money is being given to churches without my permission and that is therefore oppression, right? Or did you forget that taxes prop up churches all across this country?
A church/faith/denomination is a CHOICE some people take. Why then don’t I have the CHOICE to NOT support ANY church/faith/denomination? Why, as a Night Magician don’t *I* get tax exemptions? Night Magick is just as much a religion/faith as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
Religious oppression is also when you’re FORCED, with no possibility of opting out, to support religion in any way, like through tax exemptions.
If they can afford to build churches that can seat several thousands, they can afford to pay taxes.
In the US the alcohol laws are made by the states, so it varies. I don’t know why July 4 specifically. Lats year it fell on a Sunday and in some states you can’t by alcohol on Sundays, so maybe this picture is from last year? I think some states have laws against selling on Sunday because religious people who think drinking is wrong can’t get it banned completely so they got it banned on Sundays by arguing that they didn’t want drunk people in church (as if you couldn’t plan ahead for that). Basically it’s just stupid.
Ok, so it’s because of Sundays not Independence Day…I thought banning alcohol sales on July 4th would be, idk…going against what America supposedly stands for, freedom and so forth.
here’s the thing though, these laws should be protested because they obvious violate the constitution by forcing a religious law onto people and violating separation of church and state.
except they dont… in any legislature the truth is whatever you can make someone else believe. so if a group of progressives think that using the government to pass a law banning your activity that harms no one but yourself is in the best interest of the state/country, and they can convince enough of the rest of the legislature to think that way too then a law passes on that merit alone.
You are wrong.
There’s a Constitution, and the majority can’t make a law that violates it. That’s where the Supreme Court is supposed to do its job and strike down that law, but the issue must be brought to them first.
I had a girlfriend once who ran a liquor store, in a blue law state, and she explained this to me: That liquor store owners have enough clout to get blue laws revoked but they don’t. They get to be closed one day a week and not lose any business to competitors who remain open. That means they don’t have to pay overhead or employee wages for one day and not lose income. If they did open they would only get a few additional sales from alcoholics and impulse buys and it’s not worth it to them to do that.
The logical conclusion of this is for liquor stores to be closed all but 4 hours a week. This will allow them to save overhead or employee wages for 6.5 days a week and not lose income to competitors.
While you do bring up a rare positive point about blue laws, by and large the negatives far outweigh the positives. While traveling through a state with blue laws, I was quite surprised to see what some of the laws required. I know in some states these laws require that alcohol must be sold in it’s own building outside of a normal grocery store, which I found out grabbing some food and a bottle of wine at a costco. This means that for any grocery store that also sells liquor, they must create a separate secondary storefront, adding extra overhead and staffing 6 days a week, and adding construction cost. This means that while a stand alone liquor store may see some savings, most stores see substantial increases in cost. This is most obvious for locally owned grocery stores though. The added overhead may be too great for many smaller stores, which may drive people to a big box store that does have a liquor store for the slight increase in convenience.
Shopper convenience also takes a hit. Ignoring the inability to go grab a bottle of wine on a whim if you decide you want to throw a nice dinner on Sunday, even the person that plans ahead is inconvenienced. For the person that is just grabbing a bottle of wine to go with dinner, they must go through a store, grab any food they want, check out, put that stuff into the car, and then they have to go back, grab their bottle of wine, get in line again, and go back to the car a second time. This seems quite silly for a law that has no tangible benefits.
Yeah! Y U no want people have access to explosives and copious amounts of alcohol!?! Oh, wait.
Come on guys as a manager of a liquor store myself I have a day off from bums, drunks, and under-age punks trying to rip me off. I don’t care who you blame. Not to mention that although forcing liquor stores to close on the 4th of July probably did start as a moral campaign it makes perfect logical sense to restrict access to alcohol and fireworks as a safety issue. Those who buy both before-hand have at least some ability to plan ahead and thus have a decreased risk of doing something stupid, although they probably will anyways.
You’re welcome to close whenever you want. The problem is that you’re FORCED to close on a Sunday (the 4th of July was a Sunday last year) because of religious oppression. What if a store owner wants to be open on a Sunday. Shouldn’t they have that right?
So all you losers who whine about living in a Christian country (even though stores being closed on 4th of July has nothing to do with religion or Christianity) all work on Christmas, RIGHT? Sundays too, RIGHT? It’s funny how you people pick and choose what you’re all outraged over.
If you’re such a hardcore alcoholic that you can’t handle ONE day that the liqueur stores are closed, either move to a state where they never close or better yet go to AA or something because you’re gonna end up dead or in jail and neither of those places sell alcohol.
I agree but it was the unions that gave us the 5 day work week… and yes I do have to work on christmas because I work in a datacenter NOC that’s a 24/7 facility so no holiday’s for me unless it falls on my weekend. But Im a special case
Liquor Stores must be closed for Memorial, Thanksgiving, and Christmas Days.
^^^ That is in MASSACHUSETTS, the home of the Pilgrims and puritans and blue laws and every other thing you losers love to complain about.
News flash: Christmas is the ONLY religious holiday on the list so DUH, liquor stores being closed on NON religious holidays has NOTHING to do with those evil Christians.
Massachusetts had a state mandated religion up until the mid 1800′s too. Which was perfectly fine because if you dont like it you can leave.. or as Ronald Reagan said “you can vote with your feet”. Same thing goes for romneycare which has made costs in the state for medical treatments triple as of 2009 or 3 years after implementation… And there are 5 hour lines now to see a doctor in some places… why? free care = everyone goes to the doctor for a hang nail or sniffle. Which is all well and good for the people of the great state of MA… just as long as it stays in MA the ones that dont like it can leave. If it is forced on the entire country though…I dont wanna run to Laos or Cambodia for freedom because their standard of living suuucks…
A bit off topic I know but I felt it was an important point about states rights that while tangential to the topic at large did make a salient point.
So if you can move to another State to avoid a bad law, then that law is OK. And if the entire country has that law, then it’s not OK.
But what if every State has one bad law, except it’s a different law in every State? What happens then? You can’t move anywhere, yet it’s OK because no single law is enforced on the entire country.
Voting with the dumbest part of your body is dumb. Don’t know why Reagan wouldn’t realize this, I guess he had his feet in place of his brain.
Yeah, since when is it a religious thing? Most businesses are closed on holidays, and very few of them are religious. Logic FAIL. As for the country, no, not all the founders were Christian,and it was founded in part for religious freedom. But I think it’s still safe to say it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
What judeo-christian principles are you talking about?
Name 6 that was used to found this country.
Freedom of religion isn’t christian.
Non-establishment of religion isn’t christian.
Voting for your leaders isn’t christian.
Freedom of speech isn’t christian.
Freedom to petition your leaders isn’t christian.
Freedom of press isn’t christian.
I’ll give you slavery, slavery is christian and was written into the Constitution. So you’ll have to provide 5 more.
You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. I never said christianity invented slavery. Just that they practiced slavery. Jesus approved of slavery. As for the Constitution being anti-slavery, if what you say is true, then why even have the 3/5 clause? And FYI, 3/5 is not 66% it’s 60%. If you can’t even do math, how can I believe your claims about how it was meant to stop slavery?
And don’t think I didn’t notice your failure to list any christian “values” used to found this nation.
the 3/5 clause was written to reduce the number of representatives in the house from the south, and therefore reduce the influence of the slaveholders in government. they wanted to count all slaves as people for determining how many representatives they got in the house, but also wanted to consider them as property. the north wanted them to not count slaves at all for determining hte number of reps in the house. the 3/5 clause was a compromise. without it, the southern states that practiced slavery would not have ratified it.
Considering how no christian principles were written into law and how some anti-christian principles (like freedom of religion) were, I have to give a big “so what” to your post. All it shows is that they had the sense to separate their religious beliefs from the core values of a secular nation.
Someone needs to challenge the constitutionality of these laws in the Supreme Court because they clearly violate the separation of church from state by being a law (state) created for a religious reason(church)
no actually they dont. Any legislature can pass any law they want in their state banning pretty much anything (except guns, and speech apparently) if they have the votes for it. Remember it’s not against the federal constitution for a state to ban something. States can have state mandated religions if they want… Massachusetts did till the 1850′s and I think Utah does to this day. Its the federal government that cant force you to go to a specific church… that’s what the freedom of religion (also called the separation of church and state by liberals) is really about. Its not a freedom from religion its a freedom to worship who and where you want.
Remember the first amendment says that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” So the federal government to whom the us federal constitution applies cannot stop you from worshiping where ever you are (read the last 6 words of the quote above) nor can they force you to go to a federally established church…like England used to do with “the church of England” or better known as the protestant religion. Also the majority of the country (67% according to Pew Research) view the country in this manner. Sooo…If you dont like the laws either work to get them changed in your state or leave. There is no unconstitutionality here.
The people who keep referring to the US as a “christian” country are just proving the point behind this sign. The whole point of the separation of church and state is that the State does not get to determine what religion anyone is. Calling this a “christian” country is akin to saying that anyone who isn’t christian is not a valid citizen of this country. It makes a mockery of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. This is a country of all religions or even of those who choose no religion. Whether the liquor store owners want the stores to be open on Sundays or Holidays or not isn’t the point. They are free to close any day they want to. The fact, however, that stores are being told to close because of laws that were enacted by pressure from one religious group in order to align with their religious views in contrast to all other religions or non-religions in this country is what the First Amendment was written to prevent. There is no “official” religion in this country…and if there is, then we might as well just tear up the Constitution.
I drink because I like to sing!
♫ A-hundred depressed people in the bar, a-hundred depressed people in the bar
♫ You buy a drink, somebody passes out, ninety-nine depressed people in the bar
♫ Ninety-nine depressed people in the bar, ninety nine depressed people in the bar
♫ Dude hits on a chick, her BF punches out his lights, ninety-eight depressed people in the bar ♫ ♫
America: Celibate the independence of your nation by getting so drunk you can’t remember why you’re celebrating. With Beer! Now available in convenient six-packs! And for a limited time, buy three six-packs, get a free box of ammo and fireworks! I feel safer already!
This message brought to you by the Brotherhood of United Backwards Uneducated Suckers (the BUBUS) and the Really Ignorant American @ssholes (the RIAA) who remind you that guns don’t kill people, drunk people with guns kill people.
America: Enjoy that clean air and water and cheap gasoline in your car (well not so much that anymore) while you drive one of your two cars home on a well paved highway with traffic lights and relatively safe driving conditions to your 2500+ square foot home with a 2 car garage and big backyard to celebrate the freedom to have such things an not be oppressed by a government that does your thinking for you … while they slowly steal all of the above freedoms from you.
Except we’re not being oppressed by government. We’re being oppressed by the “free” market that makes our decisions for us and can steal our homes while their conservative stooges in government oppose reasonable measures to protect people from businesses.
oh, and the holiday celebrates freedom from Britain, not religious oppression. Britain didn’t give a s*** about our religion. They wanted to collect money from their colony.
the irony here is that the sign was made in china, assembled in mexico, created by a company in japan, sold by a distributor in canada until it finally reached the guy in massachusetts who is a transplant from va. interesting all the things that go into making american freedom of expression happen.
This sign is currently up at a liquor store called Moore Liquor in my hometown of Moore, Oklahoma, not from a previous year. The guys who run the liquor store are pretty cool. They always have silly stuff up on their marquee.
hey folks, this sign is from 2011. I live in the same town as this and actually bought my beer and tequila from the store on Friday, can’t buy it on Sunday. Oddly we can’t buy a car on Sunday either.
Independence Day is about the revolution against British control, a political struggle. We’re celebrating becoming our own self-governing political entity.
It’s not a celebration of the pilgrims who came here before the revolution, who were escaping religious persecution.
Fail. The war of Independence was to free America from the rule and tax of the British. Nothing to do with religion. The 2nd amendment (the right to bear arms) was so that every American citizen was prepared in case the British ever tried to retake the country. I’m British and I know more about a holiday celebrating American freedom than they do.
In Georgia we probably will be getting Sunday sales soon. Governor Deal signed a bill permitting local voting on whether to allow liquor sales on Sunday. This was a compromise with the religious wingnuts, no doubt, but at least it is a step in the right direction.
Hey ya’ll, the reason for the law has NOTHING to do with any religion, its less people are retarded and get drunk AND play with fireworks and such… so just sayin’
The real question is WHY did the Christians all that time ago have a problem with alchohal? jesus turned peoples water into wine and got them drunk! Im a chriatian in california, so i was unaware of blue laws until now.
And here’s another verse for you: Hab 2:16 – Thou art filled with the shame for glory; drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered. The cup of the LORD’S right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory. (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=habakuk%202:16&version=KJ21)
Seems like this says you shall drink, get naked and barf all over the Almighty
Well, I can’t very well let this one go without comment. I love the sentiment of the sign, and despite July 4th being on a Monday, it is still, in some states, illegal to buy alcohol on federal holidays. The reasons for these laws are, quite simply, a “moral majority” attempting to force their idea of morality on the rest of the populace through rule of law. This is, in general, a huge problem that leads to most oppression where it exists. In the soviet union, the “moral majority” forced atheism and communism through rule of law. In the arab world, the oppression of women is codified in law. In america, our puritan morality is codified in laws against prostitution and sodomy. These laws are wrong in all of these societies. We seem to have this delusion that just because the majority thinks something is immoral, that it is ok to make it illegal. Immorality is not just cause for an activity to be illegal in a free society. In a free society that which is illegal must damage, harm, or in some other way violate the fundamental freedoms of another member of the society. In the case of prostitution for example, there is no victim. It is a simple exchange of goods for services in which both parties are consenting. Every single oppressive law makes something illegal that does not actually directly harm anybody else. They ALL have this in common. The more indirect the damage to another person, the more oppressive the law. People who argue damage to the “moral fabric” of the society are always justifying forcing their own beliefs onto others through rule of law. This is ironic to me because, if a belief system can not get people to follow it without using the government to force it on others, can this belief system really be that good? IMO, any belief system that tries or does use the government to force its beliefs on others through rule of law is inherently a poor belief system that should be rejected out-of-hand…unless, of course, that is illegal in your country.
Off-topic for the thread, but I love your comment, and agree wholeheartedly. I’d just like to add that practically every woman is a prostitute according to its definition: The exchange of sexual intercourse or activity for monetary compensation or services rendered.
Now, have your girlfriend, significant other, fiancèe, wife ever said “do the dishes and you’ll get a BJ”? Or “clean out the gutters and I’ll put on that little number you like so much”? Or “You were so good today, doing all those chores, I thought you deserved something extra” before she jumped your bone? Congrats, you have a female prostitute.
For those wanting to comment on this, and especially those that want to call me a sexist pig, a beast of a man, read the above again, then come back and read this: A woman told me this.
Well done christians.
Does your ignorance help you sleep at night?
Almost certainly yes… There are things out there, that if you knew them, your testicles would retract so quickly they’d punch you in the brain.
Or so I’m told.
I don’t really know.
Explain? Weren’t blue laws put in place by fundamentalist Christians?
Hence the ignorance. The 4th is on a Monday this year. Not knowing how to read a calendar counts as a fail in my book. Not sure about yours.
And if this sign was made in 2010 when it was on a Sunday?
Independence day celebrates Americas independence from Britain…. Not solely religious oppression, though it was a part of it…. The revolution was based more on inequal treatment in many areas… I don’t see how this is a win at all, except for anti religious bigots.
Nope, independence was based on the fact that not only the americans wanted lower taxes (they had the same as the british…) as they didn’t want slavery to be abolished, something that was about no happen in britain
First off, learn to spell. Secondly, read a non-Zinnian history book.
it was actually largely based on the fact that the good old king of england taxed the bejesus out of his little colony, but refused to give them representation in the English parliament. There were of course other factors, but that was the main one.
i believe that america only officially declared itself independant from george the 3rd. no other english monarch… so… yeah…
The lack of representation was, as you correctly stated, a major factor in the war. However, your statement that they “taxed the bejeezus out of his little colony” is entirely incorrect. Taxes were actually much lower for those living in the colonies than those living back in Britain.
you sir, are fail
you sir, are a christmas tree with crab claws
You sir, are made entirely out of funny comments.
The temperance movement (source of today’s blue laws) was almost exclusively Christian. How is it ignorant to blame the group that caused the problem for creating the problem?
Not all Christians did it, but it certainly was Christians who did it.
Blue laws were put in place prohibiting the sale of alcohol on a Sunday but this year, Independence Day is on a Monday. So why is there a problem? If the sale of alcohol is banned on Independence Day this year, then it will be a matter of convenience and not because of religious principles.
A lot of people forget that this might be an older sign
Guilty as charged
no, this is a current sign. I live in the town this is in. Oklahoma is bass ackwards on a lot of stuff. But we do what we can do.
It was also almost exclusively progressive which sort of presents a dichotomy now doesnt it?
Totally, but they want you to blame the Christians not the Democrats
How is it ignorant to blame the group that caused the problem for creating the problem, and then following it up to say that “not all Christians did it”? I mean, seriously? Why not just say “I know what a stereotype is and while it is overly incorrect, I’m going to use it anyway.”
You buried yourself in that one, bud.
It’s not a christian problem that your enjoyment comes directly from alcohol. You are sooooo hurt by not being able to purchase alcohol on one day. Get over yourself.
does jesus/osiris/dionysus the savior help you sleep at night?
Horus does!
personally the god hoth (the lord of spells) helps me get to sleep at night.
Objectively, melatonin helps you sleep at night.
Along with lovely doses of alcohol of course.
Wrong, of course. Yes, alcohol is a depressant, however it interferes with REM sleep.
yeah horus is a bad a$$
the worst part of this “win” is that independence day is celebration of Americans declaring themselves free of Britain’s oppressive government and now our own oppressive government has taken over liquor stores, which means they are closed on federal holidays… religion played a role in causing the laws to be written in the first place but it played a minor role
the sign-maker is on to something; but they too stupid to figure out all the angles. Fail for them and Fail for Cheeznet for letting it get to the front page
So… the nice folks at Religious Oppression force you to think and plan ahead and buy alcohol the day before, big deal!
(I have to admit, this might be a difficult exercise for some of you out there who drink!)
man f that, i want to procrasterbate and they don’t want me doing either parts of that! WE MUST BE FREE
So what happens when something unexpected happens like say more people suddenly show up to your party or (shudder) someone drops the case of bottles and it breaks? I should be able to buy booze when I want without some busy-body christians using the law to enforce their cult.
So because someone can buy on another day that means it’s not a ridiculous law?
You’re an idiot.
^this.
Religious Oppression is going on all the time in the USA. This law is not the worst thing though.
The worst thing is, people can get exemptions from the law and a few privileges if a law is found to contradict their religion. That means Atheists must respect more laws than religious people. It’s a problem because that can be used to punish Atheists for being Godless people. It can also be used to force them to convert to something.
And why not decide that, if a law is found to be violating the religion of somebody, then the law should be deleted completely, rather than make a select group of people exempt? That would make everyone happy and equal.
It’s way too easy to oppress Atheists.
1) Make a law
2) Claim it violates your religion and say you want exemption.
3) Enjoy Atheists and rival religions having less freedom than you.
^ imbecile.
You know why alcohol is not sold on Sundays? There’s enough whine the rest of the week, especially from people like you.
The forth of July celebrates freedom from political oppression. The pilgrims were the ones escaping religious oppression. This dude has no idea what he is talking about.
^This
^Double this
Not exactly. The “oppression” they were fleeing for the most part was not being allowed to oppress others with their religion. Dig a little deeper and you’ll find some of the groups fleeing Europe were made they weren’t getting preferred status and would rather go where they can make people worship their way.
But Independence was not fought on behalf of those groups fleeing from Europe, it was fought on behalf of the political oppression of people who were already in the States.
I agree completely with nekroolic above.
you forget about the taxes and laws forced on us by the british parliament which we had no say in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#Controversial_British_legislation
True. King James I kicked those weirdoes out of England. It was assumed they would never be heard from again….
Best laid plans huh!
Irrelevant, King James died 150 years before Independence.
yes, because he totally meant that we were getting back at king james
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
So these morons (and the typical moron commenter on here) think Independence Day is a RELIGIOUS holiday? wow
How do people this stupid remember to breath?
The source of today’s “blue laws” goes back to the 1600′s and yes, since every single person who founded this country was a Christian, I guess it’s their “fault” you can’t buy alcohol on Sundays in SOME places.
The fact that July 4th is a holiday that has NOTHING to do with religion means there’s another reason stores have to be closed, namely, so people won’t be forced to work when they should be celebrating the holiday, I assume, just like Thanksgiving which is also NOT a religious ‘holiday’ (holy day duh)
If you really don’t like living in a Christian country where you’re free to whine even when you don’t have the slightest hint of a clue wtf you’re talking about, feel free to move to one that’s not and see how you like it there. (hint, many of them don’t allow you to buy alcohol 365 days a year)
So you are saying that this is a Christian country? Is there a state religion? Maybe you should do some research and see what the founding fathers (namely, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington) had to say about that. As for some of us Americans not liking to be subjected to the antiquated morals of of the hypocritical “Christians” (they don’t act very much like the followers of the words of Jesus Christ that I’ve read), if your opinion is that I should move then maybe you want to move me.
It doesn’t have a declared religion, but the majority of people in the US are Christian. That’s why he refereed to it as a Christian country. The fact that that is all you got out of his comment means that you are such an idiot I’m surprised you remember to breath.
By this definition, with a little bit more than 50% of people opposing the war in Iraq, the USA are a pacifist country?
^this
We’re not talking about slightly over 50 percent. 85% of US citizens identifies themselves as Christian. All other religions and athiests make up the remaining 15%. Thus the US is an overwhelming majority of people who identify with Christianity.
The fact that THAT is all you got out of his comment means that you are such an idiot I’m not surprised you used the wrong form of “breathe”.
“…since every single person who founded this country was a Christian, I guess it’s their ‘fault’ you can’t buy alcohol on Sundays in SOME places.”
But then again, that isn’t true – the Founding Fathers were deists, a step closer to atheism – so you might as well be correct.
Wait…
So you say that we (the internetz) should not stereotype Americans and then promptly jump right into stereotyping Christians?
Heh, rant more! This stuff is great!
76% christian and about 4% other religion and 15% non religious = christian country to me by the “democratic process”
Exhibit A: The Treaty of Tripoli, June 1797, signed by the Founding Fathers:
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
This is not a Christian country. This was never intended to be a Christian country. This never will be a Christian country. This is a democracy, not a theocracy. The First Amendment is designed to protect people from laws favoring one religion. The country usually epically fails at this, but hey, it’s a learning process.
Republic, not a democracy
And rapidly becoming “The People’s Democratic Republic of America”
If our founders were Christian then why does all our money have deists on it? And FYI there dude, “In God We Trust” wasn’t put on there until the civil war.
The only ‘deist’ on our currancy is franklin and he was more of a christian than most pastors.
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion” ~George Washington.
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.” ~Thomas Jefferson
Before insulting other for their supposed cognitive failings, perhaps you should first examine the spring of false assumptions from which your counter-factual beliefs flow.
Persisting in addressing others in a condescending and arrogant tone is ill advised when history, science and all of reality does not back you. Trying to purposefully muddy the waters of debate by needlessly pointing out that the 4th of July is not religious and the “holiday” means “holy day”, does not change the fact of religious oppression perpetuated by the writhing ignorant masses, of which you appear to be a part.
edit: ^others, ^that
*Washington’s
dictionary.reference . com/browse/deism
did you ever stop to think that the Constitution is a (if not the) COMMON LAW in the United States?
“The source of today’s “blue laws” goes back to the 1600′s and yes, since every single person who founded this country was a Christian, I guess it’s their “fault” you can’t buy alcohol on Sundays in SOME places.”
Do some research. Not every single founder was a Christian. Jefferson is the obvious example. He was not religious at all, and in his correspondence he often said that he doubted the existence of any deity.
How do people this stupid remember to spell the word “breathe”?
Oh wait, they don’t.
*INDEPENDENCE
You win
You just won the internet
Yay! But can I have it in sections? I live on the 2nd floor and it’s difficult to manoevre large objects through the front door.
The reign of King George of England was considered “religious oppression”? We do have freedom of religion here, but it wasn’t because England was some sort of theocracy. Blue laws are stupid and puritan, but this sign just makes its owner look like he’s willing to stretch the truth in order to have an axe to grind in public. All that does is make me dismiss him and his argument as overblown and manipulative.
Now where’s my beer, fun-damn-entalists?
A great number of the people who originally moved to the new continent did so in order to be able to practice the faith (well, denomination) of their choice, which was becoming more and more difficult in England at the time.
It’s true there was religious oppression when the Mayflower left England in 1620 and for a few years after that but in 1776, England had Roman Catholics, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Baptists, Quakers, Anglicans and fledgling Methodists. By that time, religious oppression had long been forgotten. Independence was not fought over religious oppression.
true it was fought over taxes and mandates passed without any input from us. Ontop of that only about 40% of the country reportedly wanted to go to was and 20% wanted to stay loyal to england and the rest just didnt care.
welcome to the world of politics, my friend. what say we get a couple rounds before stumbling back onto the capitol
When your tax money is used to support someone else’s religion and not yours, then it is oppression. That is what King George did (both the one in 1776 and 2001) to us.
So what you’re saying is churches shouldn’t get tax breaks because my tax money is being given to churches without my permission and that is therefore oppression, right? Or did you forget that taxes prop up churches all across this country?
A church/faith/denomination is a CHOICE some people take. Why then don’t I have the CHOICE to NOT support ANY church/faith/denomination? Why, as a Night Magician don’t *I* get tax exemptions? Night Magick is just as much a religion/faith as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
Religious oppression is also when you’re FORCED, with no possibility of opting out, to support religion in any way, like through tax exemptions.
If they can afford to build churches that can seat several thousands, they can afford to pay taxes.
??? Booze is sold in my state on July 4th
you should read more captions
I don’t get it…why can’t you buy booze on July 4th? There’s some sort of law, why exactly?
In the US the alcohol laws are made by the states, so it varies. I don’t know why July 4 specifically. Lats year it fell on a Sunday and in some states you can’t by alcohol on Sundays, so maybe this picture is from last year? I think some states have laws against selling on Sunday because religious people who think drinking is wrong can’t get it banned completely so they got it banned on Sundays by arguing that they didn’t want drunk people in church (as if you couldn’t plan ahead for that). Basically it’s just stupid.
Ok, so it’s because of Sundays not Independence Day…I thought banning alcohol sales on July 4th would be, idk…going against what America supposedly stands for, freedom and so forth.
here’s the thing though, these laws should be protested because they obvious violate the constitution by forcing a religious law onto people and violating separation of church and state.
except they dont… in any legislature the truth is whatever you can make someone else believe. so if a group of progressives think that using the government to pass a law banning your activity that harms no one but yourself is in the best interest of the state/country, and they can convince enough of the rest of the legislature to think that way too then a law passes on that merit alone.
You are wrong.
There’s a Constitution, and the majority can’t make a law that violates it. That’s where the Supreme Court is supposed to do its job and strike down that law, but the issue must be brought to them first.
this is from 2011, I know , I live in the same town,(it is in Oklahoma)
I had a girlfriend once who ran a liquor store, in a blue law state, and she explained this to me: That liquor store owners have enough clout to get blue laws revoked but they don’t. They get to be closed one day a week and not lose any business to competitors who remain open. That means they don’t have to pay overhead or employee wages for one day and not lose income. If they did open they would only get a few additional sales from alcoholics and impulse buys and it’s not worth it to them to do that.
As much as i hate those kind of BS laws, your point does make sense. Thanks for making practically the only useful comment here.
i agree. capitalism and business trumps politics and religion any day
wait…
The logical conclusion of this is for liquor stores to be closed all but 4 hours a week. This will allow them to save overhead or employee wages for 6.5 days a week and not lose income to competitors.
math win
so 4 hours=0.5 days?
Well, how many hours are you working, when working half a day?
While you do bring up a rare positive point about blue laws, by and large the negatives far outweigh the positives. While traveling through a state with blue laws, I was quite surprised to see what some of the laws required. I know in some states these laws require that alcohol must be sold in it’s own building outside of a normal grocery store, which I found out grabbing some food and a bottle of wine at a costco. This means that for any grocery store that also sells liquor, they must create a separate secondary storefront, adding extra overhead and staffing 6 days a week, and adding construction cost. This means that while a stand alone liquor store may see some savings, most stores see substantial increases in cost. This is most obvious for locally owned grocery stores though. The added overhead may be too great for many smaller stores, which may drive people to a big box store that does have a liquor store for the slight increase in convenience.
Shopper convenience also takes a hit. Ignoring the inability to go grab a bottle of wine on a whim if you decide you want to throw a nice dinner on Sunday, even the person that plans ahead is inconvenienced. For the person that is just grabbing a bottle of wine to go with dinner, they must go through a store, grab any food they want, check out, put that stuff into the car, and then they have to go back, grab their bottle of wine, get in line again, and go back to the car a second time. This seems quite silly for a law that has no tangible benefits.
This!
Last year’s 4th of july sign was so much better.
“Don’t let your fingers declare independence from your palm. Have a safe and fun 4th!”
Yeah! Y U no want people have access to explosives and copious amounts of alcohol!?! Oh, wait.
Come on guys as a manager of a liquor store myself I have a day off from bums, drunks, and under-age punks trying to rip me off. I don’t care who you blame. Not to mention that although forcing liquor stores to close on the 4th of July probably did start as a moral campaign it makes perfect logical sense to restrict access to alcohol and fireworks as a safety issue. Those who buy both before-hand have at least some ability to plan ahead and thus have a decreased risk of doing something stupid, although they probably will anyways.
You’re welcome to close whenever you want. The problem is that you’re FORCED to close on a Sunday (the 4th of July was a Sunday last year) because of religious oppression. What if a store owner wants to be open on a Sunday. Shouldn’t they have that right?
No they shouldn’t. The definition of a Free Country is a country where other people decide for you what you can and can’t do. Duh!
comprehension of freedom fail
Only ignorant tools think Christians are stopping them from buying alcohol.
True, it is the laws that are stopping them, but that is not the argument
So all you losers who whine about living in a Christian country (even though stores being closed on 4th of July has nothing to do with religion or Christianity) all work on Christmas, RIGHT? Sundays too, RIGHT? It’s funny how you people pick and choose what you’re all outraged over.
If you’re such a hardcore alcoholic that you can’t handle ONE day that the liqueur stores are closed, either move to a state where they never close or better yet go to AA or something because you’re gonna end up dead or in jail and neither of those places sell alcohol.
I agree but it was the unions that gave us the 5 day work week… and yes I do have to work on christmas because I work in a datacenter NOC that’s a 24/7 facility so no holiday’s for me unless it falls on my weekend. But Im a special case
Don’t you dare speak of Christmas!
Christians stole it from we, Pagans. I don’t celebrate Christmas, I celebrate Winter.
Go get your own holidays you thieves!
Liquor Stores must be closed for Memorial, Thanksgiving, and Christmas Days.
^^^ That is in MASSACHUSETTS, the home of the Pilgrims and puritans and blue laws and every other thing you losers love to complain about.
News flash: Christmas is the ONLY religious holiday on the list so DUH, liquor stores being closed on NON religious holidays has NOTHING to do with those evil Christians.
tatooing wasnt legal in MA till about 10 years ago. Nobody bothered changing the laws.
Massachusetts had a state mandated religion up until the mid 1800′s too. Which was perfectly fine because if you dont like it you can leave.. or as Ronald Reagan said “you can vote with your feet”. Same thing goes for romneycare which has made costs in the state for medical treatments triple as of 2009 or 3 years after implementation… And there are 5 hour lines now to see a doctor in some places… why? free care = everyone goes to the doctor for a hang nail or sniffle. Which is all well and good for the people of the great state of MA… just as long as it stays in MA the ones that dont like it can leave. If it is forced on the entire country though…I dont wanna run to Laos or Cambodia for freedom because their standard of living suuucks…
A bit off topic I know but I felt it was an important point about states rights that while tangential to the topic at large did make a salient point.
So if you can move to another State to avoid a bad law, then that law is OK. And if the entire country has that law, then it’s not OK.
But what if every State has one bad law, except it’s a different law in every State? What happens then? You can’t move anywhere, yet it’s OK because no single law is enforced on the entire country.
Voting with the dumbest part of your body is dumb. Don’t know why Reagan wouldn’t realize this, I guess he had his feet in place of his brain.
Yeah, since when is it a religious thing? Most businesses are closed on holidays, and very few of them are religious. Logic FAIL. As for the country, no, not all the founders were Christian,and it was founded in part for religious freedom. But I think it’s still safe to say it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
What judeo-christian principles are you talking about?
Name 6 that was used to found this country.
Freedom of religion isn’t christian.
Non-establishment of religion isn’t christian.
Voting for your leaders isn’t christian.
Freedom of speech isn’t christian.
Freedom to petition your leaders isn’t christian.
Freedom of press isn’t christian.
I’ll give you slavery, slavery is christian and was written into the Constitution. So you’ll have to provide 5 more.
You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. I never said christianity invented slavery. Just that they practiced slavery. Jesus approved of slavery. As for the Constitution being anti-slavery, if what you say is true, then why even have the 3/5 clause? And FYI, 3/5 is not 66% it’s 60%. If you can’t even do math, how can I believe your claims about how it was meant to stop slavery?
And don’t think I didn’t notice your failure to list any christian “values” used to found this nation.
the 3/5 clause was written to reduce the number of representatives in the house from the south, and therefore reduce the influence of the slaveholders in government. they wanted to count all slaves as people for determining how many representatives they got in the house, but also wanted to consider them as property. the north wanted them to not count slaves at all for determining hte number of reps in the house. the 3/5 clause was a compromise. without it, the southern states that practiced slavery would not have ratified it.
So it had nothing to do with ending slavery then and everything to do with conservatives wanting to have their cake and eat it too.
Your six are christian values. I suggest you read our book. Some history as well you are wrong about the 3/5ths, ugly dwarf is correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_signers_of_the_United_States_Constitution
you can look for yourself… 56 men founded the country’s government as it stands today… find me one of them that was an athiest.
Considering how no christian principles were written into law and how some anti-christian principles (like freedom of religion) were, I have to give a big “so what” to your post. All it shows is that they had the sense to separate their religious beliefs from the core values of a secular nation.
One other thing, the choices for a person’s religion aren’t just “christianity or nothing”, there are others out there.
I still haven’t seen anyone give examples of “christian values” that were used in the founding of this country.
Someone needs to challenge the constitutionality of these laws in the Supreme Court because they clearly violate the separation of church from state by being a law (state) created for a religious reason(church)
no actually they dont. Any legislature can pass any law they want in their state banning pretty much anything (except guns, and speech apparently) if they have the votes for it. Remember it’s not against the federal constitution for a state to ban something. States can have state mandated religions if they want… Massachusetts did till the 1850′s and I think Utah does to this day. Its the federal government that cant force you to go to a specific church… that’s what the freedom of religion (also called the separation of church and state by liberals) is really about. Its not a freedom from religion its a freedom to worship who and where you want.
Remember the first amendment says that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” So the federal government to whom the us federal constitution applies cannot stop you from worshiping where ever you are (read the last 6 words of the quote above) nor can they force you to go to a federally established church…like England used to do with “the church of England” or better known as the protestant religion. Also the majority of the country (67% according to Pew Research) view the country in this manner. Sooo…If you dont like the laws either work to get them changed in your state or leave. There is no unconstitutionality here.
Except the states can’t do anything that violates federal law. By endorsing one religion over others it is creating a federal church.
Somebody needs to read up on the laws before they post and not base everything on a win photo
The people who keep referring to the US as a “christian” country are just proving the point behind this sign. The whole point of the separation of church and state is that the State does not get to determine what religion anyone is. Calling this a “christian” country is akin to saying that anyone who isn’t christian is not a valid citizen of this country. It makes a mockery of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. This is a country of all religions or even of those who choose no religion. Whether the liquor store owners want the stores to be open on Sundays or Holidays or not isn’t the point. They are free to close any day they want to. The fact, however, that stores are being told to close because of laws that were enacted by pressure from one religious group in order to align with their religious views in contrast to all other religions or non-religions in this country is what the First Amendment was written to prevent. There is no “official” religion in this country…and if there is, then we might as well just tear up the Constitution.
76% christian 15% nonbelievers 4% other… Id say that qualifies as a christian nation by the democratic process.
51% of the people in this nation are women. So does that make it a woman nation as well?
I drink because of religion
I drink because I like to get buzzed.
I drink because I like to sing!
♫ A-hundred depressed people in the bar, a-hundred depressed people in the bar
♫ You buy a drink, somebody passes out, ninety-nine depressed people in the bar
♫ Ninety-nine depressed people in the bar, ninety nine depressed people in the bar
♫ Dude hits on a chick, her BF punches out his lights, ninety-eight depressed people in the bar ♫ ♫
America: Celibate the independence of your nation by getting so drunk you can’t remember why you’re celebrating. With Beer! Now available in convenient six-packs! And for a limited time, buy three six-packs, get a free box of ammo and fireworks! I feel safer already!
This message brought to you by the Brotherhood of United Backwards Uneducated Suckers (the BUBUS) and the Really Ignorant American @ssholes (the RIAA) who remind you that guns don’t kill people, drunk people with guns kill people.
America: Enjoy that clean air and water and cheap gasoline in your car (well not so much that anymore) while you drive one of your two cars home on a well paved highway with traffic lights and relatively safe driving conditions to your 2500+ square foot home with a 2 car garage and big backyard to celebrate the freedom to have such things an not be oppressed by a government that does your thinking for you … while they slowly steal all of the above freedoms from you.
Except we’re not being oppressed by government. We’re being oppressed by the “free” market that makes our decisions for us and can steal our homes while their conservative stooges in government oppose reasonable measures to protect people from businesses.
I suggest you go liv in europe for a while and then come groveling back to the free market
you can’t buy booze because it’s a national holiday. Why should someone have to work just because your dumb a** can’t plan ahead?
oh, and the holiday celebrates freedom from Britain, not religious oppression. Britain didn’t give a s*** about our religion. They wanted to collect money from their colony.
Britain wasn’t that big on freedom of religion. Neither are you apparently.
Not quite sure how you take that from what I said.
the irony here is that the sign was made in china, assembled in mexico, created by a company in japan, sold by a distributor in canada until it finally reached the guy in massachusetts who is a transplant from va. interesting all the things that go into making american freedom of expression happen.
This sign is currently up at a liquor store called Moore Liquor in my hometown of Moore, Oklahoma, not from a previous year. The guys who run the liquor store are pretty cool. They always have silly stuff up on their marquee.
hey folks, this sign is from 2011. I live in the same town as this and actually bought my beer and tequila from the store on Friday, can’t buy it on Sunday. Oddly we can’t buy a car on Sunday either.
Historically inaccurate.
Independence Day is about the revolution against British control, a political struggle. We’re celebrating becoming our own self-governing political entity.
It’s not a celebration of the pilgrims who came here before the revolution, who were escaping religious persecution.
In England, we’re buying booze on 4th July. True Story. gf n1.
So are we in the USA. Sign is not a win.
I guess that’s your consolation prize for losing, lol
Fail. The war of Independence was to free America from the rule and tax of the British. Nothing to do with religion. The 2nd amendment (the right to bear arms) was so that every American citizen was prepared in case the British ever tried to retake the country. I’m British and I know more about a holiday celebrating American freedom than they do.
Whoah, hold on there mate. I wouldn’t judge what American’s know about our history based on posts in a gimic comedy blog.
Question: who does this guy blame when he can’t open on election day?
I like how many “up’s” this one has.
In Georgia we probably will be getting Sunday sales soon. Governor Deal signed a bill permitting local voting on whether to allow liquor sales on Sunday. This was a compromise with the religious wingnuts, no doubt, but at least it is a step in the right direction.
Hey ya’ll, the reason for the law has NOTHING to do with any religion, its less people are retarded and get drunk AND play with fireworks and such… so just sayin’
The real question is WHY did the Christians all that time ago have a problem with alchohal? jesus turned peoples water into wine and got them drunk! Im a chriatian in california, so i was unaware of blue laws until now.
And here’s another verse for you: Hab 2:16 – Thou art filled with the shame for glory; drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered. The cup of the LORD’S right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory. (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=habakuk%202:16&version=KJ21)
Seems like this says you shall drink, get naked and barf all over the Almighty
Well, I can’t very well let this one go without comment. I love the sentiment of the sign, and despite July 4th being on a Monday, it is still, in some states, illegal to buy alcohol on federal holidays. The reasons for these laws are, quite simply, a “moral majority” attempting to force their idea of morality on the rest of the populace through rule of law. This is, in general, a huge problem that leads to most oppression where it exists. In the soviet union, the “moral majority” forced atheism and communism through rule of law. In the arab world, the oppression of women is codified in law. In america, our puritan morality is codified in laws against prostitution and sodomy. These laws are wrong in all of these societies. We seem to have this delusion that just because the majority thinks something is immoral, that it is ok to make it illegal. Immorality is not just cause for an activity to be illegal in a free society. In a free society that which is illegal must damage, harm, or in some other way violate the fundamental freedoms of another member of the society. In the case of prostitution for example, there is no victim. It is a simple exchange of goods for services in which both parties are consenting. Every single oppressive law makes something illegal that does not actually directly harm anybody else. They ALL have this in common. The more indirect the damage to another person, the more oppressive the law. People who argue damage to the “moral fabric” of the society are always justifying forcing their own beliefs onto others through rule of law. This is ironic to me because, if a belief system can not get people to follow it without using the government to force it on others, can this belief system really be that good? IMO, any belief system that tries or does use the government to force its beliefs on others through rule of law is inherently a poor belief system that should be rejected out-of-hand…unless, of course, that is illegal in your country.
Off-topic for the thread, but I love your comment, and agree wholeheartedly. I’d just like to add that practically every woman is a prostitute according to its definition: The exchange of sexual intercourse or activity for monetary compensation or services rendered.
Now, have your girlfriend, significant other, fiancèe, wife ever said “do the dishes and you’ll get a BJ”? Or “clean out the gutters and I’ll put on that little number you like so much”? Or “You were so good today, doing all those chores, I thought you deserved something extra” before she jumped your bone? Congrats, you have a female prostitute.
For those wanting to comment on this, and especially those that want to call me a sexist pig, a beast of a man, read the above again, then come back and read this: A woman told me this.
I am Australian. Your argument is invalid.
Freaking alcoholics.. Its only until noon. Can’t you give the habit a break for a few hours once a week?