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Opiate, and masses
The original quote is “Die Religion … ist das Opium des Volkes.” Translate it how you like, it means the same thing.
Die Religion?! Why does he want religion to die?!?
(Oh wait, that’s German. Never mind.)
Not if you look at the entire quote. It pretty much states that religion is there to numb people to how horrible their life is. Something that socialism would solve.
That COMMUNISM would solve. I hate to be nazi-ish (that expression is awesome in this context), but socialism is a separate economic theory that happens to form the basis for the communist manifesto. It can be applied in many forms, even a socially conservative society.
As Sam noted, you mean communism. Not socialism. If you did really mean socialism, then you are mistaken regardless still.
THIS.
People quoting incorrectly make me rage.
So would you say being super anal retentive is your opiate?
Certainly.
Not an incorrect quote, you can translate the original German quote however you like into English as long as the meaning stays the same.
Opium is opium. Who could have thought?
everthing is opium if youre a bird
Karl Marx’s response: Methaphors! Do you know them, bítch?
What he meant, was the fact, that religion is a mental disease (mild schizophrenia) that was (and is, look at Iran and the USA) used by criminal organizations (“churches”) to control people en-masse like cattle. (To do that, they either need to be dumb, or experience some horrible reality, like wars and depressions. Go figure…)
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WRONG
Marx never said “religion=opiate of the masses”
He meant that class division leaves poorer people (low class/proletariat) with such terrible lives their only hope was to believe in god/afterlife, and practice religion, thereby “numbing” yourself to the suffering of being so poor.
None of you ever read the Communist Manifesto, admit it.
Actually yes, I have read that. I also have read Marx’s introduction to A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right. That’s where the quote is from. If you actually read more of Marx then just the Manifesto, you would know that.
Well…I’ve read it… and I guess you didn’t..
If you did you would know that Marx didn’t write
about that topic in the Manifesto of the Communist Party.
The sentence is a quotation from the “Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right”
(Einleitung zur Kritik der Hegelschen Rechtsphilosophie)
Your the one who sounds crazy. Atheism one of the most poorly thought world views ever. Religion has nothing on your when it comes to crazy. More than a 100 million people have died under Atheist regimes. Religion has nothing on Atheist there either.
@rab3
How many people have died in the name of god? Assuming one way or the other is the “most poorly thought world views ever”.
… and how many BILLIONS have died under ‘Christian’ regimes? Nazi Germany was Catholic & Lutheran. The British Empire was Anglican, and they would stack dead colonials like firewood. The US Civil War was fought by two democratically-elected ‘Christian’ nations. How many wars did Britain and France fight? Both were Christian at the time. South Africa under Apartheid was Christian. The Spanish Conquistadors murdered how many millions on the North American continent, not counting the native that died from diseases carried by those ‘Christians’.
How many atheist regimes have there been? Stalinist USSR was officially atheist, but Stalin was worshipped as a god. Similarly Maoist China was officially atheist, but Mao was worshipped as a god. As best I can tell, there has NEVER been an actual ‘atheist regime’ in all of human history, much less one that murdered 100 million people.
Tally: billions murdered by Christians, zero by atheists. Bring in the other two Ibrahimic religions (Judaism & Islam), and you have the murderers have 99.9+% of all those who have died from human-made causes the past 3000 years. Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah is truly a god of war, famine, pestilence, and death.
rofl.
There are so many factual errors here, I’ll just pick out what I feel are the worst ones to correct.
1.) Nazi Germany wasn’t “Catholic & Lutheran.” It definitely wasn’t Catholic–he hated Catholics since they acknowledge the authority of the Pope (i.e. the authority of someone other than Hitler). It wasn’t even entirely Lutheran… Hitler tried to coerce the Protestant churches into becoming a “Reichschurch” under the control of a “Reichsbishop” (not sure about the spelling of either) who would basically be one of Hitler’s goons… not a legitimate religious leader. And even that plot failed (the Lutheran clergy, understandably, didn’t like the idea of having their religion taken over by the state).
2.) “zero by atheists.” The regimes of Stalin and Mao were atheistic. They were communist regimes, and were therefore anti-religious. This claim of yours is historical revisionism, plain and simple.
In conclusion: try harder, troll.
you contradicted yourself. ANTI-religion and athiesm are two very different things. how can you be anti-anything if you simply don’t believe in it?
You are a complete fucking moron.
Religion is a mental disease? That’s a FACT?!
I believe his intended meaning would be better understood today as something like “Religion is the advil of the masses” A type of fetishism we employ to mitigate the harsh reality of our lives.
I thought it was *opiate*. If you’re going to make a reference, at least get the reference right.
Just like in communism, just like in communism.
What happened in communist countries?
Right, people got killed, mass-murdered and tortured.
My friend, it’s not Religion that’s evil, it’s humanity!
People fight over cake too. There’s never quite enough cake.
cake or death?
I’ll have the chicken
We only had three bits, and we weren’t expecting such a rush.
Exactly. Which is why Atheists will never get most peoples respect. They claim religion is an evil force that people do evil things with. Wrong. Religion is flawed, only because humanity is flawed. People have killed over MANY MANY things. There’s nothing wrong with religion. Humanity just sucks.
BAM! Busted the nail wide open
^THIS. Thank you Essayons.
No problem. Atheists also like to say if religion never existed, all those people who died in the name of it would have never been killed. Bullshit. It’s mankind, if religion didn’t exist, they would have just found something else to kill each other over.
good point. people will find any excuse to kill people, so atheists shouldn’t be surprised when religious people who claim to have the right view on things are bloodthirsty warmongers. it’s just in our nature. but you’re wrong about religion having nothing wrong with it. there’s a lot wrong with it merely because we keep f-ing everything up. if god exists, and he were a computer programmer, he would have been fired from any job he applied for on earth.
If he is real/was real, whatever he would be the greaters programmer on earth. Because as I know it the Christian Religion states he created humans, and therefore Intelligence, thats some slick algorithms man
The cake is a lie.
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Um, do you know much about European history? The whole thing is shot through with people killing each other over religion. Pagans fighting Christians, Protestants fighting Catholics, different bands of Catholics fighting each other, whole brigades of Christians marching south to kill Muslims, it’s all in there.
Unless you meant that both religionists and atheists can be equally vile, both being human, but I don’t think that’s your meaning.
I think television in the opiate of the masses. Religion is just for passing the time when there’s nothing on TV.
CLP, your comment is full of win. But capitalism is the opiate of the masses, and television merely a means to capitalism.
What in the hell are you talking about ryan.
No, that’s what weed is for.
Opium would be the Opiate of the masses if it were… y’know… legal. And the people were using it en masse. By and large, I think that opiates (Heroin, Morphine, Opium) are used by a pretty small minority. Not to say that it’s not a problem, but religion and TV addictions are far more dangerous. Glenn Beck, for instance.
Yeah, for real. Drugs are illegal, but anyone can listen to Glenn Beck. It’s a travesty.
i have to disagree with the assertion that a “small minority” of people are using opiates. but the glenn beck comment is full of win.
agreed.
Everyone should just be agnostic and stop acting like they know everything.
If I submit this comment to Friends of Irony, do you think it will make it to the front page?
What’s ironic about it? There isn’t any proof one way or the other. The only logical position would be “I don’t know” which is agnostic.
lololol the irony continues
teehee! Rando, you got ‘im. Post it.
Tony dear, must we spell it out for you? You were complaining about people acting like they know everything, while at the same time you were… acting like you know everything.
actually.. to be agnostic is the admittance of NOT knowing one way or another. so yeah uh.. that’s not very ironic at all. while the point wasn’t so cleverly argued. the facts.. or lack there of remain.
Isn’t it funny when people complain that something is incorrectly quoted, and then gives their “correct” version that has the exact same meaning, when the original quote wasn’t even written in their language?
The original: “das Opium des Volkes”; litterally “the opium of the people”. You guys fail.
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without getting into the inefficacy of literal translations, the main problem with this hacker’s version of the quote is that it differs from the commonly accepted version, making him/her seem uninformed; also, doesn’t “opiate of the masses” sound better than “opium of the people”?
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I thought the premise of Hacked IRL was that someone made a change (hack) to something to make it better. In this case, the graffiti appears to have been done all at the same time, by the same person. Or did I miss something, such as a deep meaning for the wicker chair being there?
Someone hacked Marx’s original idea. The original statement was made by Marx, and the modification, as you see here, was done 150 years later, probably by a different person. Unless Marx came back to crack a joke at himself. Yeah I didn’t think so either.
Isn’t it a reference to the old joke about the nudist lecturers?
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Oh, thank goodness, I wasn’t the only person thinking it then.
Karl Marx’ response: “Du bist ein Idiot! In meinem Zeit Opium war für die Reichen. Die Massen konnten Opium nicht sich leisten.”
Or, “You’re an idiot! In my time opium couldn’t be afforded by poor people. Opium was for the rich.”
You, the writer of this graffiti, fail at history. Opium was not the opiate for the masses, they couldn’t afford it. Religion was cheaper, and was therefore the opiate for the masses.
Wow, translation fail. You use Babel, sweetie?
Sehr gut!
(hacker = mangelhaft)
A win. Have some props.
Opiate doesnt equal opium. Although opium can be classified as an opiate.
I’d be terribly disappointed if it couldn’t.
Reilgion is not the opium of the people. It is the opiate of the people
From what I remember of my days working in a retail pharmacy, I believe the various combinations of hydrocodone and acetaminophen are the opiates of the masses, although they prefer oxycodone if they can get it.
the hallucinogens of the masses, however, are something else entirely.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts
Yea, except 4 Billion people on Earth believe in the exact same God. Think that gives it a little more merit.
Same can go for science. On group of scientists can believe in one law, while a whole other group doesn’t. That doesn’t make it any less true.
yeah, and just because millions of people saw Avatar and loved it doesn’t mean it isn’t a steaming pile of garbage. and what law are you talking about that scientists don’t all agree on?
Just because X number of people believe ANYTHING doesn’t mean it has any merit. In all reality if we can’t sense it in any way with our five senses it doesn’t exist (as far as we know). For example, from right here in my room right now I cannot prove in any way shape or form to myself that trees exist. I take it on faith that I can walk outside and see a tree. Just like anything else in our world we put faith in. Be it science, God(s), Nature, ANYTHING! We can’t prove it so we make the conscience decision to put faith in it and believe it’s there without proof. So in these terms all forms of religion or lack there of are completely EQUAL! And the proof in there equality is there dismissability. Anybody else can dismiss your ideas and choose not to believe in them, and you can choose not to believe in there ideas. No one can prove anything so all this debate about masses and whether religion is legitimate is pointless. No one idea or belief can in any way surpass another because they are all stuck at the starting line going no where. So please everyone reading this believe something and legitimize it in your own eyes, but remember that most likely the majority of the world will not agree with you and there’s no way to change that.
Religion causes pain, opium kills it.
And how is that different than anything else on earth that gets abused?
Why does this have to become a debate? It’s just a funny bit of graffiti. Take your politics to somewhere more serious, this is like bringing up the meaning of life at a comedy club.
so many oh so intelligent people here ._.
i say: marx just got owned by a random troll irl.
feel the burn, marx!
Karl Marx: “The workers control the means of production! The struggle of the urban proletariat!!”
Host: “No, it was Wolverhampton Wanderers who beat Leicester 3-1.”
Marx: “Ah, shit.”
you guys are all idiots.
communism and socialism are the same thing, just varying degrees of it.
socialism is a step towards communism – communism is the end goal.
retards
Zach, Stalin conducted mass purges of major religious figures simply because they were active in religion….